Check this out, (and here) a factory done, Bolton gas block style rifle with what appears to be a Draco gas block. When I recently handled a Bolton gas block rifle, it convinced me that maybe a Draco with a permanently attached extended brake would be a handy rifle, and it is.
But this rifle maybe would have done what I wanted to, although it would be harder to convert to an SBR than a Draco. I would suspect it being a Century build but it isn't listed on their site. Interesting other features are the RPK rear sight, Hogue grip, and hammer forged chrome lined barrel. Personally I'd change the Tapco RAZR hider and UTG handguard, but to each his own. Looks to be a WASR style receiver without dimples.
Update: A commenter pointed out it is a Colorado Guns build, thanks!
They are the second link in this post and I must have missed on their site that they are the builders. The part that confuses me though is the WASR style receiver, my first guess would be that it is a WASR with a Draco Gasblock. Which isn't a bad thing in my book, if I could have found a Draco gas block for sale I would have done the same thing. But instead I sold off my WASR10/63 to fund the Draco carbine.
Some added details is that it has a G2 trigger group, a Tapco stock (which I like if you are just going for the basics), a Tapco trigger group retaining plate, and a ProMag magazine (not to thrilled about that but there are plenty of AK mags out there).
EDIT 1/30/12: This post is the single most popular one here at my Blog. Welcome to those of you that find this site by searching on it. I'm trying to keep up on the news of it, there are a few more related posts if you click the Romanian M10-762 label here or below. I'm considering shifting some priorities around and buying one for a review, but my wife is currently unemployed so that could be awhile. Also I'm not sure if there is already enough information out there on it. If you would like to see a detailed review done by me as well, please post it up on the comments.
EDIT 2/29/12: M10-545 review part one is here.
This is not a Century build. It's built by the Colorado Gun Sales guys, and I've seen their work first hand and know it is first-rate. I haven't seen this yet, but I'm already in for one.
ReplyDeleteYep thanks, and I linked Colorado Guns right there in the post too! I was probably too excited by it to read in detail, d'oh! my main question is though why they are using a WASR style receiver. That's not an entirely bad thing, just different. It makes me think that it is a WASR with a Draco gas block (which was exactly another way I considered going to get my Poorman's Bolton Block but couldn't find any Draco gasblocks for sale).
ReplyDeleteIf you check the closeups on the centerfiresystems site it looks like the are some round indents where the dimples usually go.
ReplyDeleteIs the flash suppressor screwed on or welded permanently?
ReplyDeleteThe Tapco flash hider is screwed on left hand thread, just read that on a forum from someone who bought one.
ReplyDeleteYep that's right. Sorry I missed your last comment. Check out the new post on links to Forum reviews.
ReplyDeleteLooks like canted sight, or canted rail, bad finish, and some mag wobble with certain mags are the complaints. I still can't decide if it's is better than paying a bit more for an Arsenal. With absence of the standard front sight, that barrel is just begging to be shortened to have a pinned brake. But, that would mean gas port work and additional costs...
ReplyDeleteI think a Draco has just the same merits as a short gun for the most part. Also the Draco is built on a regular AK receiver, not a WASR10 style. I like both my pistol and permanent brake carbine Dracos.
ReplyDeleteI'm looking for my first AK (and first rifle larger than a .22 also). I like that this gun is inexpensive, seems easy to customize to truly make your own, and quite honestly it looks mean as Hell. My questions are:
ReplyDeleteIs a price of 499.99 a fair price for this gun? I don't want to get gipped
AND can an AK like this, properly customized, serve as your primary hunting rifle for game in Texas/OK area? (deer, coyotes, hogs, etc)
Thanks ahead of time!
Jacob
As a first budget AK, it will probably be fine. Most of the reports I'm seeing put it in the same category as a WASR10, which for the price is what I would expect since it is slightly upgrade so it then has a slightly higher price.
ReplyDeleteAs for a Texas game gun, I don't know since I'm not in your neck of the woods and how long of shots you would be taking. But the 7.62x39 is ballistically similar to the .30-30 and it has been killing deer for over a century. But the .30-30 has never been known as a long range hunting rifle and neither would the AK. I think part of the key would be good hunting ammo to maximize accuracy.
Thanks Matt, I appreciate your input. My birthday is early next month and my bday money will prolly go to that. With the rails, will all the bad ass mods and customs that fit on AR's fit on that same gun?
ReplyDeleteTrying to decide between this M10 and the GP 1975 from century. Any advice for a first time AK buyer?
ReplyDeleteHehe, I need some names here. Anonymous 1, rails are rails, so for the most part yes. Just realize that a lot of the stuff is designed for ARs. An example would be that most vertical foregrips are too long if placed far back on the rail because they will interfere with the rocking motion of loading an AK mag. But that being said it, pretty much anything that attaches to an AR rail will attach to an AK.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 2,
That would be a tough call but I think I would go for the M10. I don't believe the GP1975s have chrome lined bores and many U.S. barrels are a softer steel. I think that coupled with all the upgrades you get on the M10 would be worth it.
AK Matt, Thanks! i was curious if the 1975's had the chrome bore. My other option was to get a Saiga IZ 132 and get the tapco G6 adj. stock with pistol grip, but it only takes the surefire hi cap mags that go for about $40. the M10 seems the best for the money with all new parts. Unless the quality of the Saiga would be noticeably superior....
ReplyDeleteKevin,
ReplyDeleteThat gets a little more difficult. A well done Saiga will be noticeably better, but for it to be the same price as a the M10 or GP1975, you'll have to DIY it because the parts alone are normally around $100-$120. Carolina Shooters supply has a nice kit for that. The other thing to remember is that a converted Saiga won't generally have a tradition handguard or threaded barrel. Both of those will be on a M10 or GP1975
AK MATT, True, I'm heavily leaning towards this M10. The price is right and I like the tac look. Like a meaner tougher AR. I also considered the Zastava PAP, but no chrome bore and single stack headache turned me away, although I hear they build a great tank of a weapon. Overall M10 is seems to be the perfect mix for me and from what I can tell CO guns is pretty reputable. Thanks for your input, good to here suggestions from the pros!
ReplyDeleteHey AK Matt, I recently went shooting with a buddy of mine and got my hands on his AR-15 and R700, both guns I absolutely loved, but I wanted something a little more.. fun, due to both of his rifles being seated firing, e.g. the AR had a bullbarrel on it that added a large amount of weight and some other modifications that made it on the fat end of 10+ pounds(approximation). After reading a large amount of debates, and having a little bit of a biased opinion, I found myself wanting an AK-47. But when it comes to each of the variants I find it troubling to decide which I should actually get. I was looking at the same 499$ one listed above but I don't want to get a gun that is of not that great of quality. but when it comes to the higher quality ones I have read that some of them (e.g. saiga's) have to have modifications to them in order to make them 30rd capacity and USA legal, which is a pain. I have trolled through a large amount of websites and seemingly they range from 500-800$, is there any chance that you could list a couple of types that you know to be reliable (for an AK), e.g what brands are good, which country represents good quality, as well as any other things you want to include for a first time AK purchaser (online vs gun show etc.).
ReplyDeleteAlso, sorry to continue, but any thoughts on the 74 and the bullpup version of the 47?
Also, If I were to purchase this gun...
ReplyDelete499$ for gun
120$ for 42mm RDS/tactical LED flashlight(mountable on ironsights)
45$ for AK-47 collapsable stock
25$ for front grip
25$ for 2 extra mag's(30rd)
so approximately 715$ to fully equip an AK... not too shabby in my opinion
I liked this M10, but in the end have decided to go with the Saiga IZ 132 and order the tapco T6 stock that give it a pistol grip, that along with a bunch of other accessories priced out at about $500 + s&h. Figure if I like that I can someday easily convert it to move the trigger group forward. Saiga's will accept 30 round mags if you pay the $30 each for the right ones, but depends on how many you think you need. In the end I like the brand new factory built 100% russian make. Only takes 4 us parts to make hi cap compliant. Check out Carolinashooterssupply.com, love that site and will be ordering mine next week. Good luck!
ReplyDeleteI purchased this rifle last week. I changed the tapco razr flash hider to a midwest impact device w/c help control muzzle rise and recoil. Not a bad brake. I put 200rnds thru this baby w/o any hickups. the good part is that It shot tight groups! 2moa at 100 yards open sights. Was not wearing my glasses even. With optics the group would be even tighter! This is one heck of a rifle for the price! I am really happy with it and recommend it to anyone looking for a good AK. The only downside it the finish but who cares you can always paint it and its not a show gun. The important thing is it shoots well and it does what its supposed to do!
ReplyDeleteJust scored one from classic arms, should be here early next week. Can't wait to take it out and light the fuse! Accessories for the rifle aren't priced horribly, and comes with a lot of upgrades for the money. My primary purpose for this rifle was home defense, so candidly, I really could give 2 Sh*ts whether it's accurate past 300 yards. Past 300, you need a different rifle, period. For the home defense scenario, if you can't hit what you're shooting at in close quarters with this thing, you're a threat to the gene pool anyway! LMAO!
ReplyDeleteIt seems to be making every one happy! My buddy has one we went out to the range last weekend. hit a %inch dingier at 200 yards open sights! we Ran surplus ammo all day and not one malfunction. I think i will get one. does any one have a pic of one With all the bells and whistles?
ReplyDeletei was deciding between a windham weaponery ar-15 are this m10 being my first gun of this type i choose the m10 sure its scratched up and not as pretty but it ROCKS!!! tapco mags wont load first round if you put the whole 30 in them no biggy the bulgarian mag that came with it does no wobble feeds flawless i found a place to get more after extensive searching got a 40 rd mag and another 30 much better than the tapco mags only because you can put the whole amount in my friend has a colt ar-15 and he thinks if it came down to be reliable he would choose this lmao. but its fired almost 1000 rds no problems except the tapco mags just load 29 in them i actually want another 1 but there goin fast and for 499 its hard to beat for shooting fun :)
ReplyDeleteThe M10 is a fine firearm! I bought mine in nov. 2011 abd I have 2k rnds on this rifle, used it for running and gunning, bumped fired, put it in a lot of stress w/o any hiccups!! I use 30rnd tapco mags and no wable at all. I can say really, you cant beat the price for the quality your getting. I luv my AR too but I tend to shoot my M10 now. The M10 is a wise choice if you are looking for your 1st military style rifle. The only drawback is that you If you like target shooting in the range you cannot use steel cased rnds in a range and the brass rnds are kinda pricey. Good for me cuz I hate target shooting (boring). So you will not go wrong with this gun if you so choose.
DeleteI think this is the same rifle I just purchased
ReplyDeletehttp://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=273174216
Great info! Im also looking at this AK. wanted to get some opinions on the M10 AK47 Vs M10 AK 74. I was leaning towards the 74, mainly because better accuracy and I could shoot it at my local indoor range. They don't allow the 7.62 to be shot there.
ReplyDeleteAny recommendations on the 47 Vs 74?
I was leaning towards the 5.45 since I have several 7.62x39 and only one other 5.45. However, right now Centerfire Systems is sold out and Atlantic Firearms is suppose to have a batch but they aren't listed on the website. I'm a few days out from knowing if I'll be able to buy one for a review and then probably about a week out from the actual order. I will see who has what available if/when I place it. I like 5.45x39 for right now because it has the cheap surplus ammo. Eventually though all that 7N6 will dry up and it will be about the same price as 7.62x39. I have a lot of 7.62x39 ammo and magazines so it won't be hard to support it and it will be a better comparison review between my other rifles.
ReplyDeleteIf you have no other AKs, I recommend getting the 7.62x39 if yu can find a place to shoot it just because ammo and magazines will always be easier to find. Also check your indoor range, often they won't allow 5.45x39 since it has a steel jacket/core. Yes, 5.45x39 is inherently more accurate and flatter shooting than 7.62, but 7.62x39 has some terminal ballistics advantages. But that's just my two cents.
I just received mine from Classic Arms a few days ago. The sights are straight and the rail system that came on it fits like a glove, not one millimeter of movement. Only complaint is a few scratches on the receiver, its not a show piece however, it's a shooter. Mags lock up tight with no wobble as well.
ReplyDeletebought this ak from a local gun store last week and took it to the range a few days ago. Out of the box, it seemed that it was packaged pretty haphazardly. There was ripped styrofoam dust all over the rifle and it seemed like they forced the barrel end to fit in one of the syrofoam packages to make it fit. Took it to the range and it peformed beautifully. Went through 100 rounds without a misfire or studder. The sight may be a little off or so but i plan on getting a different sight in the future anyway. The only thing i really didnt like about the gun was the magazines that it came with. They did lock in tight when they locked in but getting them to lock in at first was a little hard and the plastic around the feed lips seem like they are already starting to wear a bit. I plan on getting some metal magazines. Overall its a fine rifle and i have no regrets on buying it.
ReplyDeleteI bought one n 12/10/11 an have no regrets. My sight is not canted an the promag is not that good. I bought 2 tapco mag which with alittle use fits great. All the inside part r new an the finish is rough but good. As far as shooting it shoots all brands of ammo but likes tulamo best. No ftf r fte an the open sights shoot accurate. I've put on a side mount an a hi-lux 30 red dot which at 45 yrs gives very accurate shots an groups. I bought this rifle from Buds Guns for 499 an free shipping. This rifle does it all an none will b dissappointed by it.
ReplyDeleteI've had one for several months now and love it. It's my first AK so I don't really have a point of reference as far as how it compares to others...but I've put upwards of 1K rounds through it and it's never given me a single issue. I ordered mine through Classic Arms as well when they were still $499. My only complaint is that the mag they sent me didn't fit at all. Not "too tight"...seriously didn't fit at all. No big, I didn't care for the polymer mag anyway so I bought a couple used metal 30 round mags at a local shop and then got some 40 round mags from CDNN Sports. All the metal mags lock up tight and perform flawlessly. I have 4 other rifles, a couple handguns, and 2 shotguns...and by far this is my favorite to shoot. All of my friends that I've let shoot it love it to death and are looking into getting their own. Highly recommended.
ReplyDeleteThe price is goin up on the m10. They are fine guns no show piece like a colt but there awesome shooters i can hit a 4 inch target constantly at 200 yrds with just my red dot and ive tried several mags from tapco to metal and a 75 rd drum with no issues:) this is a survivers gun it will keep on shooting without any cleaning without any issues i ran 1000 rds not at one days shooting tho but 1000 total before i cleaned it no ftf or fte im very happy with it.
ReplyDelete^ Yea I noticed the price change too. I've been interested in an ak style for a while now. Still thinking about it but this info here along with the comments is really helpful. If I do end up getting this one I would be adding a grip to that rail!
ReplyDeleteHey guys,
ReplyDeleteI'm just putting some new info on here for people that might be looking into the M+M M10 as Thier first Ak type rifle.
Got mine about 2 weeks ago did a quick inspection handled the action everything looked good as advertised. Mind you I am am AF veteran with almost 10 years experience handling firearms down side of that almost ex exclusively M4's, M9's basic American made stuff.
Ok so loaded 1 and only mag that came with it Tapco "lowdrag" 30 rounds snapped back the carrier FTF right from jump. Of course I did a good cleaning lubing. Pulled back handle again good extraction round won't Chamber I read that these rifles sometimes need a little time to wear in barrel face.
But what's happening is round is hitting barrel face then entering Chamber and stopping about 3/8 way from battery. Kinda bummed called m&m they said I can send it back and they will check it out and fix or replace if they can't fix, these rifles are Romanian made.
If I could I would save an extra 300 bucks and buy a saiga conversion from Arsenal of course I did this research after the fact so yeah if you have 700 bucks+ just save some extra dough and buy a quality rifle.